Following are all
the responses from the October 26 E-FORUM “REVIVING YOUTH CURFEWS?”
The response was overwhelmingly in favor of enforcing Richmond’s
youth curfew ordinance.
Tom, I will vote for it.
Parents need to be more responsible for their offspring's actions
and this might be a tool for parents that works with some in keeping
them off the streets at night. Of course, implementing the
ordinance might be difficult if it isn't a "priority". I mention
"priority" as there are two cars parked on Martina Street off W.
Richmond by the church that have been there since August. Three
phone calls since then and the last I was told, "It is in the
computer, but parked cars aren't a priority". Going on three
would be a good thing for Richmond to at least try as a pilot.
remember when the City's curfew was enforced in the '50s and '60s
(my brothers were teenagers at that time). We also had teen centers
for youth to socialize and have fun. It was understood that, as a
minor or teen, you had to be home or on your way home at a certain
time. We didn't have the teen violence we have now. I think
curfews are wonderful and they should be implemented.
it to you Tom to find the backing to a well needed and much
requested ordinance. I've asked so much I stop--no one has ever
given me an answer to why there wasn't such as ordinance. Thanks for
bring it to the surface. It's another step to solving Richmond's
violence, however where do they go? I guess this puts back at the
recreation centers being able to provide the programs that will meet
all youth needs.
only question I have is how enforceable is it? If the police don't
have the time or manpower it won't matter much and I'll bet that is
why it has never been enforced. Is there any data that gives an idea
of how valuable something like a curfew is? My guess is that it
starts out strong and peters out over time to total disuse...
does this class of minors contribute to the classes of homicide
victims or perpetrators in Richmond? I think we all favor protecting
kids from victimization, and if curfew can reliably perform this
function, I would favor it. If, on the other hand, this is a device
to make policing easier without actually protecting minors, I would
prefer the ordinance left un-enforced. thanks for asking,
Simple. When you selectively enforce laws you have a lawless
society. Just like traffic laws curfews were passed to help law
enforcement to do its job. They can't do their job if they don't use
all means available to them. Give notice that curfew is in effect
and enforce it. A few months ago after taking chance on Richmond and
moving into a new town home at Metro Walk, I was surprised to find a
large young man standing at my garage door, apparently suffering
from gunshot wound to the chest. He and another boy had been part of
a running gun battle that began over in North Richmond. I just can't
understand how authorities can let things get this bad, when there
are laws on the books that just need to be enforced. What kind of
parent allows their kids to hang out at 4 am. Enforce the curfew.
it would be worth a try (a trial period) to find out if it is good
for Richmond. Also, has any thought been given to the use of those
cameras on poles that San Francisco has been having success with
recently in its dangerous areas? There was a big story in The SF
Chronicle a few days ago citing Mayor Newsom's plan to install more
of them because they are working!!! Yes, I know this smacks of "Big
Brother Watching You!" but somebody's gotta watch - or do something!
You bet! I know
some people will cry civil liberties, and it's a kinda hard
call, but if the exceptions are honored, and young people
treated courteously, I think it would help. Those are two big
ifs. Of course it assumes that the homicides are by youth,
primarily, but I guess you have data on that. Will you bring
this to the Council?
While the idea of a curfew for teens isn't
particularly odious for me in the main, I would never endorse it
without knowing that it was balanced by adequate recreation
programs for young people in this city. In towns (both East
Alto and Richmond) where there are limited resources for kids
programming, it would be cynical to add one more limitation in
the form of confinement to home -- homes that are sometimes the
reason for the kids being on the streets in the first place.
It's a simplistic solution to complex problems. I would hope
that we were more imaginative than that but that discussions
about it might give rise to far better answers.
I grew up in
Richmond, attended Richmond Schools (Mira Vista Grammar, Portola
Jr. High, and Harry Ells HS) in the late 50's. I can recall
being stopped more than once by a patrolling police
officers while walking home from HS dances at Ells with a couple
of friends. The time was probably between 11:00 pm and
midnight. We were told we were in violation of the curfew law
and that we'd better get home and to go directly home. In
retrospect, I would guess it gave the police an excuse to check
us out and point out the fact that they were present and alert.
That seems a positive thing to me. Of course in those days we
have respect for the police, which doesn't seem to be the case
today. What time of day do most of the homicides occur in
Tom, I am sure
there are curfew ordinances even older that used to be enforced.
I used to get caught breaking it ! 60,s you know. It does give
the police another tool but they know the ordinance is there if
needed, and let me ask you this, do you think that for one
minute this ordinance wouldn't be challenged on constitutional
grounds if enforced? That's what happened in Oakland when they
did it just a few years ago. Also what standard is an officer
going to use in approaching to even determine a persons age? And
considering the man-power shortfall do you not think they have
better things to do ? It isn't people under 18 that usually
commit these murders, and if they are victims of it, I ask the
unpleasant question; What were you doing hanging out on a street
corner in Richmond in the middle of the night ? To tell you the
truth most of the middle aged men, like myself, and that is
hundreds, that I know who grew up in Richmond feel this way; If
you are going to sling dope from the corner in your Grandmothers
neighborhood you deserve what you get. To hell with the little
turds, knock some heads. We know who the players are and where
they "Play" we just lack the will and the backbone to do
anything about it.
It doesn't seem
like that long ago that I was a minor (but unfortunately, it
WAS!!). I don't think that I would usually support a law like
this. But given the day to day crime record of this city, it's
not a bad idea. There are so many bad seeds concentrated in this
town, I think that the law really has to step in and get strict.
Funny that the curfew law hasn't been enforced. I wonder why.
Thanks for your hard work.
Pinole had a
curfew years ago and I believe still does. This gives the police
a reason to check you out. Little gangsters don’t want the
police to have a reason to check them out. If I am remembering
correctly, if you are not caught with anything illegal they just
tell you to go home and they call your parents if you are seen
again. (which may or may not be a deterrent to some).
I strongly support the use of curfews. Don't
understand why the Mayor and other leaders of Richmond do not
want to enforce curfews - what is the downside?? In my view it
may prevent youth from exposure to gangs, drugs and the criminal
elements at the time of night and/or at minimum avoid the risk
of danger as innocent bystanders. At least consider changing
the ordinance for minors under the age of 16 (as opposed to
18). The crime problem will only diminish when the city
leadership has the will to purge "known" drug dealers and gang
members from the streets - that is step #1....and it has proven
successful in much larger inner cities than Richmond.
would be a good thing. Perhaps after a first warning, the
offenders could be put to work on an 8 hour shift on a Saturday
or Sunday cleaning up the bay trail, the marina, the Richmond
Parkway, or other areas that are blighted with litter, dog poop,
I think it's a
great idea! I'm 68 years old living next to the Iron
Triangle with section 8 housing for my neighbors. I will not go
out after dark because of the scum bags in the neighborhood. I
have been physically attacked, suffered significant property
damage, had 2 dogs killed. I own my home and have a 6' fence and
2 surviving dogs.